Why do we let people vote on who can get married?

**Bohemian Iconoclast** · 05-27-2008, 12:28 AM

The California Supreme Court has spoken.

Those who would never look across the breakfast table at a homosexual want to insist during the November election.

It wasn't so long ago that interracial marriage was illegal.

Some would be all too happy to take us back there as well...

Here is today's Candorville from the funny pages, making a different point...

http://candorville.com/2008/05/26/lance/

**bushdiverq** · 05-27-2008, 09:08 AM

It all boils down to taxes. Alot of tax fraud will happen. Say you and your room mate decide it would be better to file taxes as married vs single. You are only doing this to get a tax break. There is nothing stopping it. If they would get rid of the "married" status on tax returns, I am all for it.

**Bohemian Iconoclast** · 05-28-2008, 02:10 PM

There's a point that doesn't get mentioned much...kinda like the "Chuck & Larry" movie. Considering how homophobic we are as a society, that isn't a major concern.

Aleko · 05-28-2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bushdiverq

It all boils down to taxes. Alot of tax fraud will happen. Say you and your room mate decide it would be better to file taxes as married vs single. You are only doing this to get a tax break. There is nothing stopping it. If they would get rid of the "married" status on tax returns, I am all for it.

Slightly off topic, but since when does getting married help you save on taxes? Ever since getting married my wife and I pay $8-10K a year more than we did when we were still dating and just living together.

**bushdiverq** · 05-29-2008, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Aleko

Slightly off topic, but since when does getting married help you save on taxes? Ever since getting married my wife and I pay $8-10K a year more than we did when we were still dating and just living together.

I am not an accountant, but you seriously need to seek out one if you had that much of tax increase. (unless you were filing previous taxes illegally)

Here is an article that might help.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...03-03-ym_x.htm

Aleko · 05-29-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bushdiverq

I am not an accountant, but you seriously need to seek out one if you had that much of tax increase. (unless you were filing previous taxes illegally)

Here is an article that might help.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...03-03-ym_x.htm

I already have one, thank you very much. And if you read the article you linked to very carefully you'll find the answer as to why we're paying more now than we did before (and no, we weren't filing illegally).

**thesonofgray** · 05-29-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Aleko

I already have one, thank you very much. And if you read the article you linked to very carefully you'll find the answer as to why we're paying more now than we did before (and no, we weren't filing illegally).

I'm curious ... could you share the reason? (Lazy and don't wanna read the article carefully.)

Gay guy over here

and I agree with option #1. But I sort of have a different view on marriage than most. I've been with my partner for over 5 years now and I honestly couldn't care less if we get married. I have always thought of marriage as a religious institution, and I'm not religious - so I don't care to get married "under God".

BUT, the government decided waaaay back to legally recognizing marriage and providing many benefits to married couples. In that respect, I would want to get married to my partner...to receive those benefits, but my relationship wouldn't be any more or any less whether we were married or not.

I think the government should simply not recognize marriage as a legal institution. It's a religious one, and the various churches and organizations should be able to decide who they "marry". The government should have no bearing on the subject.

It's simple: If the government recognizes marriage, it should be a right afforded to any two consenting adults. If the government doesn't recognize marriage, it should be up to the "marrying" institutions who they want to marry.

IMO, of course.

***r0fl*** · 05-29-2008, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bushdiverq

It all boils down to taxes. Alot of tax fraud will happen. Say you and your room mate decide it would be better to file taxes as married vs single. You are only doing this to get a tax break. There is nothing stopping it. If they would get rid of the "married" status on tax returns, I am all for it.

I know a female and male who do this.
why should only heterosexuals be allowed to perform marriage fraud?

*Romeo8Juliet* · 05-28-2008, 02:24 PM

I believe that everyone should be entitled to make their own choice.

I don't agree with a court or any other authority making the determination of who can and cannot marry.

Everyone has always had to struggle for rights in this country, which is sad since we preach "freedom".

**fatboy** · 05-28-2008, 08:00 PM

i think the gays should be allowed to suffer married life ......

**bushdiverq** · 05-28-2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by fatboy

i think the gays should be allowed to suffer married life ......

ROFL

**LJA** · 05-29-2008, 09:30 PM

back on the vote, I can think of a lot of couples that we should be allowed to vote on whether they get married. And I mean individuals like that fill E! TV and all those silly shows!

**88jr** · 05-30-2008, 11:22 AM

Is your poll talking about marriage between the same sex? If it is then yes we should be allowed to vote and my vote is NO!

**Bohemian Iconoclast** · 05-30-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by 88jr

Is your poll talking about marriage between the same sex? If it is then yes we should be allowed to vote and my vote is NO!

This is what we call a reflex reaction. Mind made up, no thought goes into it.

It wasn't until 1967 that blacks and whites could marry...recall Loving v. Virginia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia

Trust me, if someone told you you couldn't marry someone you love, you'd be pretty angry they felt they had the right...

Aleko · 05-30-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bohemian Iconoclast

I'll tell ya the truth. Someone earlier mentioned marriage being a religious institution. They are correct. The government shouldn't be marrying ANYONE.

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Originally Posted by Bohemian Iconoclast

Trust me, if someone told you you couldn't marry someone you love, you'd be pretty angry they felt they had the right...

So you're saying if some pervert wanted to marry his/her 10 year old child, should he/she be angry that he/she doesn't have the right to do it? After all, their religion allows them to do so, so why not?

View Poll Results: Should we be allowed to vote on who can get married?
No. It's my life, butt out!	22	59.46%
Yes. It's my business what goes on in my neighbor's house, even if no one gets hurt.	5	13.51%
Unsure	1	2.70%
Don't Care	9	24.32%
Voters: 37. You may not vote on this poll

05-27-2008, 09:08 AM	#2
bushdiverq Cordless Phone User Join Date: Mar 19, '06 Location: Tulsa Posts: 532 Phone: DynaTAC Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post SU$: 1,778	It all boils down to taxes. Alot of tax fraud will happen. Say you and your room mate decide it would be better to file taxes as married vs single. You are only doing this to get a tax break. There is nothing stopping it. If they would get rid of the "married" status on tax returns, I am all for it. Last edited by bushdiverq; 05-27-2008 at 09:21 AM.

05-28-2008, 02:24 PM	#9
Romeo8Juliet Live. Laugh. Love. Join Date: Nov 19, '07 Posts: 1,482 Trades: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts SU$: 6,238	I believe that everyone should be entitled to make their own choice. I don't agree with a court or any other authority making the determination of who can and cannot marry. Everyone has always had to struggle for rights in this country, which is sad since we preach "freedom". __________________ "When someone shows you who they are, believe them." -Maya Angelou

05-28-2008, 08:00 PM	#10
fatboy S-Pen Bish! Mood: Join Date: Mar 6, '03 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 6,562 Phone: SPH-L900 Trades: 14 Thanks: 54 Thanked 63 Times in 48 Posts SU$: 7,225	i think the gays should be allowed to suffer married life ...... __________________

05-29-2008, 09:30 PM	#12
LJA Grumpy old Dog Join Date: Dec 2, '02 Location: Arkansas Posts: 1,450 Phone: Appl iPhone 3gs Thanks: 1 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts SU$: 341	back on the vote, I can think of a lot of couples that we should be allowed to vote on whether they get married. And I mean individuals like that fill E! TV and all those silly shows! __________________ Smile! Only YOU can control your attitude!

05-27-2008, 12:28 AM	#1
Bohemian Iconoclast Project Coordinator Join Date: Jul 20, '03 Location: California Posts: 5,579 Phone: Virgin PayLo Thanks: 726 Thanked 124 Times in 84 Posts SU$: 9,705	Why do we let people vote on who can get married? The California Supreme Court has spoken. Those who would never look across the breakfast table at a homosexual want to insist during the November election. It wasn't so long ago that interracial marriage was illegal. Some would be all too happy to take us back there as well... Here is today's Candorville from the funny pages, making a different point... http://candorville.com/2008/05/26/lance/ __________________ DVD is "local only" for now. Will send select PMs when distributed more widely. Will post on rare occasions... But Eisenhower’s least heeded warning — concerning the spiritual effects of permanent preparations for war — is more important now than ever.

05-28-2008, 02:10 PM	#3
Bohemian Iconoclast Project Coordinator Join Date: Jul 20, '03 Location: California Posts: 5,579 Phone: Virgin PayLo Thanks: 726 Thanked 124 Times in 84 Posts SU$: 9,705	There's a point that doesn't get mentioned much...kinda like the "Chuck & Larry" movie. Considering how homophobic we are as a society, that isn't a major concern.

05-30-2008, 11:22 AM	#13
88jr I'm all jacked up on Mountain Dew! Join Date: May 11, '03 Location: Your moms house Posts: 1,707 Phone: TOUCH Trades: 13 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts SU$: 13,546	Is your poll talking about marriage between the same sex? If it is then yes we should be allowed to vote and my vote is NO! __________________ No, no, he didn't slam you, he didn't bump you, he didn't nudge you... he *rubbed* you. And rubbin, son, is racin'. - Harry Hogge (Days of Thunder)

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